I would immediately look to the sky as I'm sure there would be pigs flying overhead!!! They will cease as an organization before they drop shunning. It's the only tool they have.
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Your reaction if they drop the shunning policy?
by jam inhow would you react toward those family members that.
have treated you like you had leprosy.
for years didn,t.
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Latest Cable News Updates on Killer Jonathan Holt And The Murdered Young Oregon Barista Whitney Heichel
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"...jonathan holt, 24, a neighbor of heichel and a member of the same jehovah's witness church, appeared via closed-circuit television in clackamas county court wearing a suicide smock..." read cable news report of full story complete with photographs.
very excellent investigation.. http://abcnews.go.com/us/murdered-barista-whitney-heichel-raped-shot-times/story?id=17534209#.ujvk-w-hk8b
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Doubting Bro
Yeah, I was 23 when made a MS and I wasn't a pioneer or anything. Make the majority of the meetings, be "seen" in FS, put in 10 hours or more a month, comment at every meeting and be "available" to do stuff around the hall and you're in. The bar to be a MS isn't very high, especially for a born-in. Actually for a born-in to not be a MS by their mid-twenties would be a major disappointment, at least around here.
Whether he used to be a MS is relevent to me only in that he story being told is that he was removed a year or so ago. I think they elders may have known he had some issues but quite frankly, MANY folks in the congregation have some sort of issues. The BOE isn't trained to spot potential killers and I seriously doubt they was anything they would have been able to do.
Plus, if there's a civil case to be had, it's going to need to be brought by either Clint or maybe Whitney's parents both of whom are JWs and are likely not going to try to go after the WTS or the local elders.
It will be interesting to see just how bizzare Holt was acting in the months leading up to this awful crime or if maybe the elders were involved in some respect but I'm not sure I see much exposure to the WTS at this point.
I hope justice is done (ie death penalty).
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2012 Annual Meeting
by allyouneedislove ini just wanted to let everyone know that i can confirm the new "light", regarding the gb, given at the 2012 annual meeting.
i am confirming the initial post on this link:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/239637/1/2012-annual-meeting-more-notes.
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Thanks for posting. These are pretty comprehensive notes. I seriously doubt this will bother many JWs with the exception of some "annointed"
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Today's TEXT: Do not . . . be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.Matt. 23:9, 10
by Greybeard insunday, october 28. do not .
be called leaders, for your leader is one, the christ.matt.
23:9, 10.. christendoms churches have human leaders, such as the pope of rome, the patriarchs and metropolitans of the eastern orthodox churches, and the heads of other religions.
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That's rich! It's hard to believe they could write that with a straight face.
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How will the WT "officially" respond to the Heichel case?
by sir82 inthe case is garnering national attention.
it's pretty evident that both murderer and victim were jws, most likely in "good standing".
the jw angle is playing more prominently as details unfold.
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Blondie,
I had forgotten about the Slack case and teared up reading it. I hope they are tortured everyday in prison.
I don't think the WTS will officially respond. I guarantee that the family statement was handed to them by the WTS legal department.
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Some information
by cedars inhere is some information.. the following prospectus seems to give evidence that the watch tower society is attending an investment conference less than a month after their november 8th court date over the bond motion (see page 4, bottom right).. http://www.imn.org/2012/etm1324/pdfs/etm1324_prospectus.pdf.
read into that what you will.. i would rather not pass comment in case i am accused of sensationalism.. .
cedars.
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Yup, looks like the Chief Investment Officer (overseer?? LOL) is attending. Nice place as well.
From a business prospective, this makes all the sense in the world since the WT globaly with all their different corporations I would imagine has sizable invested assets.
From a WT teaching prospective, this seems to be making the most of this system. Is that brother going to be attending meetings in Scottsdale while on his business trip? I hope he's bringing his wife least he be tempted to access the in-room adult movies.
It's really a do as I say not as I do sort of organization.
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JW Tragic murder was by JW
by snare&racket inhttp://www.katu.com/news/local/report-holt-heichel-were-members-of-same-church-175169201.html.
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how sad......
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UC - I know man. You're right. And I wonder if that blogger has some sort of JW factor in her own life?
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Why can't the WTBTS just let people go ?
by DATA-DOG inwhy not just let people leave honorably?
what would it hurt?
i don't get it......
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I believe they are afraid that their numbers would drop too much. Also, they would lose their membership in the CULT club if they acted like a normal religion. I think shunning is a key characteristic in running a cult so it's kinda hard to let folks just walk.
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JW Tragic murder was by JW
by snare&racket inhttp://www.katu.com/news/local/report-holt-heichel-were-members-of-same-church-175169201.html.
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how sad......
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Boy, that seems to be a one sided piece of "journalism". We don't know what happened yet or the motivation behind Whitney's killing. When I first saw that Holt was also a JW, I wasn't shocked because this seemed to me like it wasn't random. I'm sure the police will sort things out and they'll need a little time to do so.
But, for a blogger to be openly accusing her of having an affair is over the top. It's one thing if you have evidence but I haven't seen anything like that yet. I've seen some here speculating along that line too and I'm just appalled.
Good God. This poor 21 year old young woman was killed in cold blood. Her husband, her family, and her friends have lost someone dear to them. Can you imagine someone in her family reading this crap??? I know if I were her husband, I'd be tempted to get violent.
I'm not a JW fan either but have some human decency. Let's figure out why this psycho (this word applies whether it turns out to be Holt or it turns out to be someone else) killed her before making all these speculative allegations.
BTW - that statement must have come directly from the WT legal deparment with all of its wording about how they're not to blame. Damn it WT, why does it ALWAYS have to be about you???
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Please read
by JeffT inmy father passed around 9 this morning.
he'd been in poor health for some time, but it still comes as a shock to have him gone.
we are going to miss him terribly.
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Jeff, so sorry about your loss.